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  For JW lurkers - After Hamburg.................

  by BoogerMan in

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  .......do you still believe the organization's false teaching that romans 6:7 refer to a person's literal death?.

  watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

  8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.".

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  Sea Breeze

  More:
  
  * Our "old man" is crucified with him v. 6
  * We are dead to sin v. 2

  * recon yourselves to be dead v. 11
  * we are freed from sin v. 7
  
  All of these verses are about what happens to a person when they completely surrender to Chist and accept the New Covenant.
  
  The WT would be the first to state that the NT scriptures only applies to those born again (annointed).... Except of course for Romans 6: 7 which they take out of context and claim you can get your sins forgiven without being borrn again and without needing to be part of the NC. (See Mt. 26: 27-28) The NC is specifically "for the forgiveness of sins".
  
  The WT is a perfect religion for unsaved people. You get to do it all yourself and if you get it wrong you'll simply wake up in paradise surrounded by panda bears and fruit.
  
  Of course neither Jesus or any other prophet taught this nonsense.
  
  "it is appointed unto man once to die and then judgement. - Hebrews 9: 27
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  For JW lurkers - After Hamburg.................

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .......do you still believe the organization's false teaching that romans 6:7 refer to a person's literal death?.

  watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

  8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.".

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  Sea Breeze

  If Romans 6: 7 in context:

  * we are buried with him in baptism
  * we are dead to the law

  * being made free of sin we are now servants of righteousness

  
  
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  Governing body 12 from 1914 generation are dead who are the new members?

  by Witness 007 in

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  Sea Breeze

  “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man" - Jer. 17: 5
  
  We were warned.
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

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  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty,

  You made bold moral statements right off the bat on this thread related to Judgement, Salvation, Moral Law and Laws of Logic. This is what discussion boards are for... working through ideas and truth statements.

  So, how do you explain your belief in the stability of the laws of logic from an atheist worldview?

  Surely you must have some foundation for your beliefs. Would you agree that your reliance on the stability of the laws of logic contradict your professed beliefs about our origins? If not, why not?

  Are you just going to drop the F bomb on this thread and not even attempt to explain why?
  
  
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Well, I hope you'll think about it.
  
  So, how do you explain your belief in the stability of the laws of logic from an atheist worldview? Where do they come from and what basis do you have to believe in their stability?
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  I thought it was odd when you said you 'wanted' to be an atheist. Why?

  For me, it was primarily a reflex from the indoctrination from the WT. The WT led me to believe that Christians were the most evil part of "Babylon the Great". So, Christianity was the last place I would look for truth after leaving. But, I got over the indoctrination little by little after learning to reason logically.

  I eventually realized that the laws of logic itself is rooted in a Christian worldview and not an atheist one. Laws imply a law giver. Chaos, random unguided DNA copying mistakes doesn't produce laws. And, if they did why would they be the same everywhere?
  

  Why would the laws of logic be so stable in a random happenstance universe? Why wouldn't the laws of logic be different in Austrailia, or on the moon if everything is just chance? It makes no sense. I believe that we know that the laws of logic are stable because they come from the Creator himself, "who changest not". (Mal. 3: 6)

  
  The atheist must borrow stability from the Christian worldview in order to attempt to formulate an argument against God. Very illogical.

  By the way, I spoke to Fred Williams, the host of Real Science Radio. He said he would love for you to come on the show and explain your ideas on evolution.

  Would you agree to explain evolution and atheism on the radio show?

  I suggest a format where he would ask questions to two former very active JW's (you and me, one atheist and one believer). It would be very respectful and you could reach a wide audience with your ideas.
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty,

  You would not even be able to make your posts if Christianity wasn't true. How would you know what evil even was if we are nothing more that DNA copying mistakes and chemicals? What does it matter what one jar of chemicals does vs. another jar of chemicals?
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Diogenesister,

  Cofty previously condemned Calvinism, so I'm guessing he would not be a fan of Determinism either.

  So which is it Cofty?
  
  Do we have free will or not?
  
  The illogicalness of Cofty's emotional response with loaded language is just one of the myirad logical fallacies that atheists use to cover up their hatred of God..... the one that supposedly doesn't exist.
  
  One of atheists' supposed main gripes agains God is the existence of evil. They reason that a good God wouldn't allow evil. They fail to realize that God is primarily allowing freedom, and along with that artifact of our existence comes the ability to engage in evil. Evil follows freedom.
  
  Should God prevent the exercise of evil at the expense of those who attempt to restrain it? If the Government made us all live in prison cells, that would certainly limit evil; but at the cost of freedom.

  God's solution to "the problem of evil" is judgement. The Substitutionary Atonement of Jesus Christ is utterly meaningless if judgement is rejected as a necessary consequence of free society. The real object of hatred for atheists is Jesus' payment that he made on their behalf, which serves to preserve freedom and address evil at the same time. It is the need for a Savior that is so repulsive to the atheist because it implies that there is something in the atheist that needs to be addressed.
  
  I wanted to be an atheist for a time after leaving the WT. Too many things just didn't add up.
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty,

  Don’t you believe in free will?
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  Passport to Heaven

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

  nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

  but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

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  Sea Breeze

  Salvation from the eternal torture your god plans

  Cofty,

  Your statement makes a person wonder why anyone would choose eternal separation from their creator and his creation. Shouldn't God give people what they really want?